Let the Catholics pray as they want

There is so much tumult about the return of the Latin Mass. The Pope is trying to please some hard liners. Lots of Jewish groups have gotten upset, and liberal Catholics are concerned. But what does this thing say? It really is not as bad as everyone says it is. The following excerpts are free translation from the Latin.

P. Lord Jesus, Son of the living God, Who, by the will of the Father, with the cooperation of the Holy Spirit, have by Your death given life to the world, deliver me by this Your most sacred Body and Blood from all my sins and fro

m every evil. Don’t allow us, Oh God, to get Jewed into paying retail. May the circumcised ones learn to make an honest living, Amen. Oh ye, great and mighty, Lord, help us attain good law degrees like the Hebrews, so we can sue the pants off the enemies of the Church, selah! Not by the sword, not by credit, but by clever accounting have the stolen your sacred virtues….

Ok. I made that up. but really, I have read through the entire thing and find it harmless. Let the Catholics pray as they want, in Latin. Much more important is gaining the trust and understanding of the Church towards Israel.

7 replies
  1. Brian
    Brian says:

    Since Vatican II, taking the lead of the Jews, Catholics have put proselytizing and efforts to get converts on the back burner. The resistance has less to do with any mention of Jews and more to do with Benedict trying to undo Vatican II with each ruling he makes.

  2. Maddy
    Maddy says:

    Brian, please read the Motus Proprio AND the explanatory letter the Pope published along with it. Pope Benedict isn’t undoing anything except gross abuse of the Novos Ordu (something that all Catholics should applaud).

    “In the first place, there is the fear that the document detracts from the authority of the Second Vatican Council, one of whose essential decisions — the liturgical reform — is being called into question. This fear is unfounded. In this regard, it must first be said that the Missal published by Paul VI and then republished in two subsequent editions by John Paul II, obviously is and continues to be the normal Form — the “Forma ordinaria” — of the Eucharistic liturgy…..As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a “Forma extraordinaria” of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted. At the time of the introduction of the new Missal, it did not seem necessary to issue specific norms for the possible use of the earlier Missal.”
    ~Explanatory Letter

  3. Brian
    Brian says:


    I appreciate the response, and should have qualified mine. My belief is that I am seeing the church moving to pre-Vatican II stances slowly, a shift that will continue beyond this Pope’s tenure. However, I have no written documentation stating such a direction.

    Pope Benedict knows better than to state anything but support for Vatican II, because he knows the North American church would repond with a split. But, as I see it, the primary tenants of his leadership (Friendship with Jesus Christ, fight the Dictatorship of Relavatism, reconnecting folks to the Christian aspects of Christianity etc.) may very well lead him to contradict his work in the Second Vatican Council. In trying to create a more rigid, black-and-white church, he may have to move against the teachings of ecunmenism and modern theological philoshophy that brought him to leadership.

    His politicization of Catholicism, my speaking out against typical, galvanizing social issues, seems to speak this to me. He is looking for the church to return to the prestige it once held, and I don’t see this being compatible with Vatican II, since many see the Council as the last blow to a suffering church.

    But, as I said, all conjecture on my part, based on my Catholic education and upbringing

  4. Maddy
    Maddy says:


    Thankyou, for the respectful and throughtful post. I want to respond in kind, so I’ll wait awhile to answer the rest of your post. However, for the moment, I would like to respond to this portion.

    //Pope Benedict knows better than to state anything but support for Vatican II, because he knows the North American church would repond with a split.//

    I agree that Pope Benedict will continue supporting Vatican II. However, he won’t do it just to placate the North American Church, but because denying an ecumenical council called by a legitimately ordained Pope is a schismatic act and antithetical to orthodox Catholic conceptions of authority. There is a reason why clergy who deny the legitimacy of Vatican II (for example, the Society of St. Pius and sedevacantists) are excommunicated. Now, how Vat II is interpreted and implimented can be questioned, but anyone who denies the legitimacy of Vatican II (including Pope Benedict) commits a schismatic act and, especially if they are influential, risk excommunication.

    Also, would you mind elaborating on your second to last sentence.


  5. Brian
    Brian says:

    An interesting twist to this conversation: this week, Pope Benedict declared that the Catholic Church is the only path to salvation. This flies in the face of the ecumenical view he once pushed within the Church.

    I tell ya, I don’t trust this man and the choices he is making.

  6. maddy
    maddy says:

    //An interesting twist to this conversation: this week, Pope Benedict declared that the Catholic Church is the only path to salvation.//

    No, actually he restated that the Church–with a capital C–requires the sacrament of the Eucharist and apostalic succesion. Having those two things it possesses the “fullness of faith”, but that does not guarentee that Catholics are “saved” (an exceptionally Protestant term that flies in the face of Catholic theology) and that non-Catholics are not saved. I’m surprised, for someone who went to Catholic school you don’t really understand Catholic conceptions of the after-life.

  7. Kristian
    Kristian says:

    Just so you know The Cafflick church is not a Christian church, it is a pagan church with some Christian elements. This filthy whore has murdered more Christians than it has murdered jews, I’d be very concerned about them if I were you.

    Do read Foxe’s book of Martyrs: http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm
    and The Trail of Blood (linked).

    I would be very wary of the Cafflick church they’re not your friend.

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